pneumatik ([info]pneumatik) wrote,
@ 2008-11-05 11:13:00
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Current location:Alexandria, VA
Current mood:old

Election thoughts
First, this article is some of the best political news I've heard in my entire life. Three cheers for political independents who want reasonable things and think politics are stupid.

Second, I'd like to welcome back to the country everyone who said they'd leave if Bush won a first or a second term. Even though you're probably not reading this.

Finally, I just realized I'm not the youth vote anymore. Shit, I'm old.


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Yeah ...
[info]elengul
2008-11-05 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm really glad I don't have to decide whether I was going to stick to the whole leaving thing or not.

It was a larger possibility for me then for most people, I think. I say that because I know that in 9 months, I'm going to be moving from Baltimore to somewhere to go to graduate school. If I chose a Canadian school to make that happen, it would just change where that uprooting was going to land me, not that I was getting uprooted in the first place. Since the uprooting is guaranteed, but the location isn't, I would have had some latitude there.

Now, I don't even have to apply to Canadian schools, nor do I have to think whether I would have chosen one of those over an American school.

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[info]joshthestampede
2008-11-05 07:28 pm UTC (link)
I don't think anyone claimed they would leave if Bush won the FIRST time. At least, no one but the people who say it every election year, no matter what. It was 2004 that really had the flood of threatening-to-Canadize statements.

Second, I agree with the cheers for independents who are actually independents. All too often they are Fark Independents (tm), which means they are rabid conservatives who don't want to be labeled as such. So they claim to be independent and then vote republican every time anyway.

The problem here is that the Republican party is not what it used to be. It is increasingly being taken over by far-right religious fundamentalists and neocons, forcing the reasonable centrists and non-zealots to either get lumped in with the Coulter/O'Reilly/Rush douchebag party, or call themselves "independent" so they don't get spit on in the street. I wouldn't be surprised if the party split in the next 4-8 years.

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[info]pneumatik
2008-11-05 09:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm hoping for a split, or at least something that lets me vote for a candidate who is generally hands-off, wants to let me keep more of my money, and doesn't consider all defense spending as a waste.

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[info]elengul
2008-11-06 03:40 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I think you want to check out Bob Barr (I think that's his name), he was the Libertarian candidate, and that very much sounds like the political ideology you espouse.

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[info]pneumatik
2008-11-06 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Most 3rd party candidates bring the crazy, and I think Barr is one of them. Besides, I don't think the right move is to an existing third party. I think you need to very publicly create a new party in order to get support for it.

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[info]elengul
2008-11-06 03:52 pm UTC (link)
I certainly agree that the Republican party has been overrun with religious fundamentalists and that they'll probably split in 4-8 years.

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[info]beguine
2008-11-06 01:15 pm UTC (link)
I've heard that on some of the far-right blogs people are threatening to leave this time around. I don't feel like I can really mock them for it since I remember the feeling four years ago, but I'm having a hell of a time figuring out where the hell they'd want to go. Most countries are more socialist and liberal than us, not less. I saw Russia on one site, but that was a crazy racist site and it doesn't seem fair to lump the legitimately conservative and currently histrionic in with them (even the neocons). Australia, maybe?

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[info]elengul
2008-11-06 03:41 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking the same thing with regards to where the hell they'd go ... wait, we had this conversation yesterday, right?

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